Game 8: #6 Ohio State 39, #2 Penn State 38 (Final)

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  1. OSUBasketballJunkie

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  9. AZBuckeye

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    Moot point now, but the refs were awful in this game... Just rewatched, and they basically spotted PSU 14 points with the TERRIBLE pass interference call on the Webb INT in the end zone, and the missed push off on Denzel Ward on the overturned INT (right call IMO).

    In fact, PSU's WRs were pushing off all day, and the refs weren't calling it. They need to keep an eye on those fully extended arms.

    When you have WRs that stand 6'4"+, and the refs ignore push offs, you're gonna struggle on toss ups. Really shit job by the officials on that game.
     
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    You can call a hold on EVERY play, but you must call it on edges and when both DEs get tackled. That crew did not earn a paycheck on Saturday.

    As for INT that was rulles TD..NO WAY there was significant video evidence. Should of stood as called.
     
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  11. AZBuckeye

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    I thought the evidence was right on the overturn, but even if it wasn't conclusive, I thought the call was right in the end.

    The Webb interception though ... Whoo boy ... What a terrible, terrible call.

    Idk what you're talking about on holding. I didn't really see much, but am rewatching the game now. The main momentum changers were the push off missed call and the INT called interference to me. Those are what put us down big time in the 1st. If those were properly called, we go into the half tied or ahead.

    We honestly had to overcome the refs to win this one. They also missed some obvious PI's on our WRs. Very one sided game on their part.
     
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    I thought @hollis made a great point during the game. If that ball would have hit the ground when Ward ripped it out, it absolutely would have been called incomplete. So why when Ward rips it out and has two arms wrapped around it it's not an INT? The WR didn't maintain possession. That should have been an INT only because Ward had full control of the ball at the end. There was not joint possession.
     
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  13. PsykoSockPuppet

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    The overturned call was right, because it's college ball. The play is dead as soon as they hit the ground and the PSU receiver had possession til they hit the ground.

    In the NFL that's a INT because the ball moved when they hit the ground but never actually hit the turf, Ward took possession of it.
     
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    My point is that I personally thought the WR had possession (Ward changed hand positions several times, and the WR did not), but that it didn't matter either way in my opinion. The refs could have called it either way, and I don't think it would have been a "blown call" (one that was obviously one way or the other).

    On the other hand, PSU's WR pushing off before the catch was made was egregious IMO (arm fully extended in front of ref), and the Damian Webb interception called PI might have been one of the worst phantom calls I've seen this year. Both went against us, and cost us a TD.
     
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    I totally agree with the call against Webb...Even though I think they meant to call it on Fuller, neither was anything close to a PI.

    I said this during the game, and I never blame refs. I always think it's an excuse that people use way too much. However, there were several bad calls, and you're right, two of them cost us 14 points. You take those away, and it's a borderline blow out. If Urban would have had the damn ST issues corrected before this game, it WOULD have been a blowout! I predicted 38-16 earlier last week...I think it would have been more like 45-10 had we and the refs not tried like hell to beat us.
     
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  16. AZBuckeye

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    Don't forget about the missed PI call again PSU on our first possession in the 3rd quarter. JT passed to Hill in the end zone, and the defender straight up threw him to the ground as he was trying to make the catch.

    I'm watching this thing now, and it's just a horribly officiated game. Soooo one sided. At this point, that's 2 tds given to them and one taken from us.
     
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    We really did dominate that game. I mean, 529 yards to 283 is all you need to see to know that.
     
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  18. AZBuckeye

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    Exactly. Rewatching it, it was our mistakes and some AWFUL refereeing that kept them in it. That being said, it was wayyyyy more of our mistakes than the refs.

    We had some really awful drive-killing penalties and turn overs that nearly buried us ... especially the last fumble. That's when I thought it was over.
     
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    NCAA Rule 2, ARTICLE 3. Catch, Interception, Recovery, section b.
    If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or in the end zone. This is also required for a player attempting to make a catch at the sideline and going to the ground out of bounds. If he loses control of the ball which then touches the ground before he regains control, it is not a catch. If he regains control inbounds prior to the ball touching the ground, it is a catch.

    Ask yourself: If Baugh had to dive for that last TD, had complete control in the air, but it popped out when he hit the ground... is it a catch? The answer is no.

    That was an INT
     
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  20. AZBuckeye

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    I understand what you're saying, but Ward ripped it away once they were already on the ground for a bit and were wrestling over the ball. According to the ref (who may have been wrong), the play was over by this point and the WR had completed the catch.

    Again, I'm not saying he was right. I'm saying that it was close enough that I am not going to complain about it being a "missed call." It was just a bad judgement, IMO.

    To me, a missed call is something that should obviously go one way, but is not called or called the opposite way.
     

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